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Gauff vs Lopatetskaya: youngsters' drama

Post by Ace2Ace » Sep Thu 06, 2018 4:06 pm

After this heart wrenching match as 13,14-year old girls, Gauff (born March 2004) and Lopatetskaya(born April 2003) at it again for the first time since.

Don't watch this "Les Petits As" match if you have a weak heart. The crying, the DF, the amazing winners while tears running down the cheeks... lol lol lol
And the heart wrenching ending.. What a match !!! Both hitting the balls harder than some 26-year old WTA players
The 2nd and 3rd set... unbelievable drama.



I always wanted to see their next match. And here it is at USO 2018.
One of many to come, I hope.

US Open 2018 - Girls QF
Gauff vs Lopatetskaya

I'd like to see how much they've grown since that Semi Final drama.
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Post by Graveller » Sep Fri 07, 2018 7:26 am

Both playing power tennis at that age?

They should sue their coach for ruining their career and body before it even started.

I am still waiting for the first junior who played power-tennis who can get decent results on the main tour...

Look at the list of all recent slam winner (apart from Serena): none fit that kind of junior profile: Kerber, Halep, Wozniacki, Stephens, Muguruza, Ostapenko, Penetta, Stosur, Schiavone...
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Post by Ace2Ace » Sep Fri 07, 2018 8:51 am

@Graveller:
20-year old Sabalenka, Kuzmova, Osaka, Ostapenko, moving up the ranking with power tennis.
Yes, it takes them longer than the pushers, but they are coming.
They should sue their coach for ruining their career and body before it even started.
Christ Evert met Serena and Venus when they were 12 and 13 year-old. Evert said what surprised her is how hard they were hitting the balls, harder than herself. Lol lol lol... It can be done. Got to have the right coach. The sisters were not playing Junior tennis on the tour.

Cori's problem is that she wants to turn pro right now. ... She is in a hurry when she is still growing and learning. Glad they have age eligibility rules. Keep her in the kindergarten. She is just a kid. You will see it by watching that video. So much crying from both. What is she gonna do if she gets crushed 6-0 6-0 by Sabalenka? cry all night?
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Post by Grossefavourite » Sep Fri 07, 2018 8:55 am

Heartbreaking but there's nothing 'petit' about their ball striking.

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Post by Graveller » Sep Fri 07, 2018 10:28 am

@Ace2Ace:
Serena and Venus have/had tons of talent & variation (if they felt like playing like that :-) ) in addition to their power.
That element of talent/variation is lacking with most young power players because they forget to focus on their development (how often have i said that before :- )
Serena and Venus did not have to work for the power: mother nature took care of that part. But many young players who like to copy the Sisters need to work hard to get the power.
Power comes later. Develop your skills first and the rest will follow. If not, you have no Plan B when it matters.
Look at all those not-so-powerful players that stay(ed) in the top 10 for a long time in their career: Wozniacki, Halep, Stephens, Errani, Svitolina, Radwanska etc etc etc. Why weren't they ousted by all those power-players that are/were around?
Lol, there was a time - not so long ago - that it was predicted that Woz, Aggie and Errani would be replaced by the power-generation.... in reality, they got replaced in the top 10 by Halep, Stephens, Svitolina and Goerges...;
The only one with some power (Pliskova) is inconsistent like hell - just like most of those players.
The last decade, I constantly hear that the power-players will take over... none of them does. It simply does not work if your last name is not Williams.
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Post by sekasi » Sep Fri 07, 2018 12:00 pm

@ Graveller:
Isn't Stephen a power player? I mean she doesn't go for broke, but i don't think her shots lack power. She seems to hit a heavy ball. Who is a power player?

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Post by Ace2Ace » Sep Fri 07, 2018 1:16 pm

IMHO, Sloane could be a fine power player if she wanted to.
But she's scare of going for her shot because she misses a lot. She is not used to it. If she would commit to it, she'd build the necessary muscle memory and might not miss that much.

But the pushers like Wozniacki push their way to the top-10 and sit there, collecting points from the power players and winning matches they should lose.

Yes, once in a while, a volcano erupts, the draw falls apart and they win a slam. :) It's their luck.
Kerber should have never won that Australian Open or that Wimbledon. Serena was a nervous wreck in both finals, getting impatient and gifting free points, like she did against Vinci. Could have done the same yesterday against Sevastova had not she married the net.
Hopefully that's how she'll play the pushers in the future: just sit at the net an smack their cheap balls. LOL LOL

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Re:Gauff vs Lopatetskaya: youngsters' drama

Post by Ace2Ace » Sep Fri 07, 2018 1:51 pm

As you can see, rematch was last year at the ITF World Junior Tennis Finals and Dasha lost 4-6 0-6.
Apparently, this is their 3rd meeting. A rivalry is born. :)

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Post by Ace2Ace » Sep Fri 07, 2018 2:37 pm

And the winner of the 3rd encounter is:
Lopa 6-4 3-6 6-2
Will watch this one later.

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Post by Ace2Ace » Sep Fri 07, 2018 5:48 pm

@Graveller:
Serena & Venus did not have to work for the power: mother nature took care of that part. But many young players who like to copy the Sisters need to work hard to get the power.
I think this is a stereotype that good, decent people are buying into. I shake my head every time I read  it on the web.
Nothing tells me these 2 little girls are "naturally strong". They were just like any other kids their age.
They became strong because someone coached them to be strong.
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how are they "naturally" stronger than these other kids?
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Post by djmm1962 » Sep Fri 07, 2018 6:03 pm

True That, Ace!!

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Post by Graveller » Sep Fri 07, 2018 6:26 pm

Henin work every off-season like hell to get stronger... serena took a well-deserved holiday in those months.. yet Henin never got even close to her strength.

Other example: two guys will practice all their life to run hard: one gets below 10 sec, the other never below 12 sec
Why? Because mother nature simply gifted one with the perfect genes.

Same for power: for some, it comes naturally (they still need to work on it, but way less than others).

As for the draw opening up for the pushers... weird that it never opens up for those bashers
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Post by Ace2Ace » Sep Fri 07, 2018 6:34 pm

LOL LOL...If the draw opens up for ballbashers, they bash their way out anyway. Because by nature, ballbashers beat themselves more often, and pushers rarely do beat themselves.
That was funny though.
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Post by Ace2Ace » Sep Fri 07, 2018 9:31 pm

Just got to watch this girls' match.
Cori had a clean start. No error. just hitting winner. Went 2-0, 30-love. Total domination. Then from that 2-0 30-0, she hit a DF 15-30 .. then 2 more DF to give the game away.Broken.. Back on serve.

Story of the match seems the same like in that first encounter with tons of DF.
Same story today. The girl must have hit 20 DF. What's the rush, coach?
And she is in a hurry to turn pro at 14? Take your time girl. You are not ready. Got to practice your serve.
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Re:Gauff vs Lopatetskaya: youngsters' drama

Post by Ace2Ace » Sep Sun 09, 2018 1:31 pm

Eyewitness testimonial
rucolo wrote:Dasha Lopatetskaya ! :worship:

Cori Gauff :hug:

I saw the whole Dasha vs Cori match. This was the real final.

Very impressed by Dasha. And also by Gauff.
Insane tennis for 15 yo (Lopatetskaya) and 14 yo (Gauff) girls ! :eek:

This match was an intensive fight/battle. They fought very hard.
Both have a great attitude, much more mature/better than normal 14/15 yo girls.
They are both tall and have a similar game and strokes, only Gauff attacks the net more.

Strong groundstrokes. They understand the game well.
Dasha looked a bit more mature with her game and her shots.

The weakness from both girls is (no surprise) the serve, especially from Gauff.

Both are very talented and a joy to watch. If they stay healthy, keep working hard and improving, and keep the desire for tennis and the big fight, then they will have great careers as WTA players and reach the Top 10 for sure !

Cori Gauff reminds me in many things of Serena :)
(The attitude, look and so on. But of course the serve is a big difference.)

My dream final would be Lopatetskaya vs Osorio Serrano ! :drool:
But not sure how much energy Dasha has left now. She also played Quali.
There. You got a reporter :)...
Enjoy.

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