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Re: Skan-Time !! Paris on the menu

Post by Ace2Ace » May Mon 27, 2019 3:45 pm

This should be a choice I think.
With Kvitova withdrawing, the teams don't lose points.
But if they get a LL who gets killed 6-1 6-1, that's a lots of negative points. LOL LOL.
Obviously if the LL wins, the teams get some points.

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Re: Skan-Time !! Paris on the menu

Post by CrossCourtBH » May Mon 27, 2019 3:52 pm

thanks for the info -
2/3 of my wta are a goner - including Kvitova - so ll will do lol

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Post by Ace2Ace » May Mon 27, 2019 4:00 pm

We'll wait for the others to opine. :)

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Post by Graveller » May Mon 27, 2019 6:08 pm

It is not the first time that a player withdraws... sometimes it happens in R1, sometimes in R2...R3.
Bad luck happens, there is always the next Skan.

Ps: picking another player is simply no option as the draw has progressed.
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Post by Ace2Ace » May Mon 27, 2019 6:20 pm

No.. it's not same. When a player withdraws in R2 and beyond, they don't replace her with a LL.

In my case here, If I was given a choice to take the LL in place of my lost Kvitota, I would abstain. Chances that the LL loses 6-1 6-1 is greater than her bringing my team any point.
But others may want to take that LL, as seen here by CrossCourtBH.

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Re: Skan-Time !! Paris on the menu

Post by rex » May Mon 27, 2019 8:14 pm

Graveller wrote:
May Mon 27, 2019 6:08 pm
It is not the first time that a player withdraws... sometimes it happens in R1, sometimes in R2...R3.
Bad luck happens, there is always the next Skan.

Ps: picking another player is simply no option as the draw has progressed.
I'm in agreement with Grav'. The Skanner takes the hit if a player withdraws after the tourney begins and you don't get the option of replacing that player with a LL. Your team has just crashed for this Skan. Next Skan.....

I'm a little ticked with the timing of this by Petra K, for she withdrew from Rome with the issue and, apparently has had the issue for some time, including her practice time during the week in Paris. Yet, she waits 'til the day of her lst match to get an MRI, discovering the small tear in her left forearm, necessitating her withdrawal, how lame is that?

Btw, the young, promising teen for the men, Felix AA, withdrew and 7 Skanners have taken the hit. That's the way it goes sometimes.....

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Post by Graveller » May Tue 28, 2019 4:19 am

It's been a rough R1 for a lot of teams; so far 24 losses in WTA (Kvitova taking most with 13), and 18 in ATP.

And R1 is not even completed. How many complete teams will get into R2? I have Halep and Zverev in action.

I am surprised that I am the only one with the #4,5,6 in ATP (Thiem, Zverev, Tsitsipas); the three most promising next-generation guys, two of them beating Nadal on clay this year. Maybe I will regret having Zverev later today, but I really wanted both Thiem and Tsitsipas, and did not want to pick a lower-ranked guy to complete my ATP-players.
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Post by PeterSkan » May Tue 28, 2019 7:10 am

We reasoned out years ago not to award LL's to contestants in place of withdrawing players. Doing so could well backfire, with a LL losing badly in the first round and racking up considerable negative points and making the situation even worse for the contestant.

But it makes no sense to score a Withdrawal with the artifical score 0-1 0-1 and penalizing the contestant as a result. There is no basis for the number of points that the contestant is penalized with by virtue of scoring it arbitrarily that way.
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Post by PeterSkan » May Tue 28, 2019 7:18 am

I see this has been corrected with a new scoring protocol for WO's. Thanks for doing that!
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Post by PeterSkan » May Wed 29, 2019 6:20 am

Round 1 Summary

Total teams: 82
Total fully intact teams: 48
Intact Teams by Tiers:

Tier 1: 10/10
Tier 2: 21/24
Tier 3: 12/24
Tier 4: 5/24

Leaders:

1st Place: hawkgirl98 [294 pts]
2nd Place: Moses1984 [290 pts]
3rd Place: Ribbons [279 pts]

Highest position for a Contestant without a fully intact team: SkilletSauce: 27/82 [238 pts]

RandomSkan's placing: 80/82 [cursing Kvitova's withdrawal]
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Post by Graveller » May Wed 29, 2019 7:57 am

I almost had the lowest position for a fully intact team (69, if I recall correctly); there was one complete team with that had one point less...

Not having Nadal (and Nadal getting qualifiers for R1 and R2) is hurting me for the moment... but when Nadal is out, I'll overtake them all :-)
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Post by sekasi » May Wed 29, 2019 8:48 am

Graveller wrote:
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I almost had the lowest position for a fully intact team (69, if I recall correctly); there was one complete team with that had one point less...

Not having Nadal (and Nadal getting qualifiers for R1 and R2) is hurting me for the moment... but when Nadal is out, I'll overtake them all :-)
Grav, I am tempted to look at your team :)

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Re: Skan-Time !! Paris on the menu

Post by Graveller » May Wed 29, 2019 8:54 am

sekasi wrote:
May Wed 29, 2019 8:48 am

Grav, I am tempted to look at your team :)
I will spare you the effort: I went full-on next generation: #4,5,6 (Thiem, Zverev, Tsitsipas).

Zverev gave me a scare yesterday, and so did Tsitsipas today.

Now I need to support Goffin in R3 on friday (vs Nadal). Goffin has been really good in R1 and R2, and Nadal has not been tested yet, so who knows.
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Re: Skan-Time !! Paris on the menu

Post by sekasi » May Wed 29, 2019 9:58 am

Graveller wrote:
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sekasi wrote:
May Wed 29, 2019 8:48 am

Grav, I am tempted to look at your team :)
I will spare you the effort: I went full-on next generation: #4,5,6 (Thiem, Zverev, Tsitsipas).

Zverev gave me a scare yesterday, and so did Tsitsipas today.

Now I need to support Goffin in R3 on friday (vs Nadal). Goffin has been really good in R1 and R2, and Nadal has not been tested yet, so who knows.
Good team, Zverev is your weakest link. Rafa has not been tested yet, Goffin might push him to a TB, that's about it.

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Re: Skan-Time !! Paris on the menu

Post by Ace2Ace » May Wed 29, 2019 2:53 pm

Andreescu withdraws.
9 teams bite the dust.
Sophia Kenin moves on to potentially face Serena.


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